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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 10, 2009 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best 'Touch of Gay' ?

Tell me more about my eyes!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best 'Touch of Gay' ?

"Tell me more about my eyes! "

maybe the darkness is from THEM

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: You wascily wabbit!

"Them" as in http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047573/

Actually it's a quote from bugs bunny.

I actually observed a dynamic between you and I that symbolic of the politics lately.

For 8 years bush haters protested anything bush did, regardless of the consequences and how it directly affected them. They did it on principle only. The press and media for the most part supported the protests and the left saw nothing wrong with democratic free speech.

Now the new adminstration and congress are in power and the table has turned. Except now those who dissent are called racist, ignorant bible thumpers in the eyes of the government and the media. Ironically the war protests and other stuff that were promised to the voters didn't happen and now people realize they were lied to.

So even when I make a light hearted comment, you find a way to attack, for no other reason than you are against me and don't want people to hear what I have to say. You are intolerant of my point of view. Which means you are against:

Individual freedom to pursue happiness (sound familiar?)

Equal rights for all people, REGARDLESS of race, gender, religion, gential preference, etc (sound familiar?)

Low taxes, lower government spending (something bush screwed up on severely)

Smaller government (constitution)

Who could argue against that?

Now, tell me in your own words, without personally attacking me or making broad stereotypical and infactual statements, why you hate me so much?

Then tell me why there are no war protests now.

Did obama bring home the troops?

Is he sending more?

Is obama reforming imigration after rallying the hispanic vote?

One thing the last election taught me is that I am not a republican and instead of lauging at ron paul I should have voted for him.

I am starting to think we should pull all of our troops from the middle east and place them on the border, wipe out the cartels and stop the smuggling of people over the border, legalize marijuana to cripple the criminals finances and redirect some of leakage from our economic model to other mexican imports that will create jobs there instead of putting money in the hands of drug warlords.

There was no viable reason for anyone to be against domestic oil production considering the advances in oil extraction technology over the last 20 years. The only reason was it was not a liberal cause. It would have been actual stimulus and created jobs. Unlike bush and obama bailing out the greedy corporations that the democrats swear they are going to regulate and stop from exploiting us.

Don't you think it's strage that the most liberal person in congress with one of the shortest resumes is giving billions of dollars to banks, insurance companies and automobile manufacturers?

You don't think it is strange that the union now owns government motors? Hmmmm.... wonder who the union voted for...

I may have not scrutinized bush as closely as I should have in retrospect, but this is so blatantly obvious of a corrupt group of rich people controlling us it should be obvious to anyone.

If you really think obama cares for the poor, ask him what school his kids go to. And even though someone already used this, he took 6 months to pick a friggin dog but wants people to accept policies he throws down our throats. He complained about the patriot act being forced on us so fast but now it's ok.

You really do not see that?

We have been fooled on both sides of the political spectrum by both parties, not sure about you but I have had enough.


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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

this is the last time i'llspeak with so hear this clear :I don't trust you ,I don't like you,you have a vulgar mouth,i have conclude you are a rip-off on various scams ,you certainely lack any basic respect towards me ,and towards my angels deadheads buddies , we don't need you,we don't want you ,you are not worthy enough,go to nowhere with you bla-bla politic creepos left or right sides all rotten geeks bit,no spare time left for vicious jerks as you are,no time to hate the nobodies witheir garbage minds ,you lost your chance to find a new friend so you are filthy poor in the head ,bug off take a walk to nowhere ,and don't bug me with your crap.Off,out,and good ridance !!!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"this is the last time i'llspeak"

We are all very grateful for that!

Now please take your act to this "kinder and gentler" GD website. You will find the heads there so much more knowledgeable and they are always willing to engage phonies...

http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/

See ya!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Bla,bla,bla!!!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

To be perfectly clear her ,My message to piss off was ment only about noise colector . And, yes I know things you ,cats, are ignorant about like Krishna and Vishnou,who don't want to relate to creepos and rip offs .And , what I know about these entities may be high cosmic pranksters quite diffarent and not as boring as the books said .NA!!!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Strangely reminiscent of a certain scene in a certain Monty Python movie . . . hmmmmmmmmmm

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Bloody Pilot's pet!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!



"We're the People's Front of Judea!"

"We're the Judean People's Front!"

"Splitters!"

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Bof!!! worn out gig,these old strings !!!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

"Brought peace?"

"Oh, peace - shut up!"

"There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the Romans once and for all."

"Uh, well, one."

"Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid."

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Did he say "blessed are the cheese-makers?"

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

The Romans also invented baths I sure could appreciate in my backyard !!!

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 11, 2009 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

There's a mess allright, but there's no messiah!

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 11, 2009 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Of course there ia a messiah, I should know, I followed a few

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

We don't all want nor need the same pastimes , concerning Eternity !!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVr6d5qpJGI

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 11, 2009 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Would you join us on our quest for the Holy Grail?
No, you see, weve already got one.
Youve already got one?
Yes, its a very nicea
May we see it?
Of course not, you are English typesa
What are you then?
IM FRENCH, why do you think I have this outragous accent!
....what a silly person

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Not overly interested with holy grail ,I rather learn to hop the cosmic trails!!!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

I always liked best scandinavians ,british ,americans,in that order .The frenchies have long ceased to be that interesting,besides they no nothing about the Grateful Dead,so what's left to talk about for anything new ?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

It was not easy to find your post again ! so : P.S. you are a neat poet,you got more to say for the GD banners ? It is beyond nationalities ,genders ,calendars,books,and what not , but it's a here/now event when it wants to meet you,don't forget my name!!!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"Someday, my son...all this will be yours."

"What, the curtains?"

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

All this be yours ? Bof! Thre are some things,outthere,YOU can never get .Those who want it all down here can't get it much about elsewheres !!!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

To put it simple ;some Eternities could dig saterday night fever with Grateful Dead ,and those who daon't like it can take their gig alsewhere !!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

fuckin newbie

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 11, 2009 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

I have seen where the wolf has slept in the silver grass
I can see by the mark he left that he kicked your ass...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

i think those lyrics actually work better than the original (far less "fluffy")

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Brilliant, Rob!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

What's up, round shiny but bouyant one? Get anywhere with the garage?

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

hee hee... yeah, I have one demo finished, but I want to do a few more before I upload... It 's a blast after using various forms of tape for so long...

As soon as I do an upload, I'll put something on the NC Page... :)

And I hope you're keeping cool out there in those NE temps...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

freakin hotter than a fishercat's testicles in jalapeno sauce up here!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

I am disrupting town halls to take advantage of the air conditioning.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Aug 11, 2009 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Well, I feel for y'all. I mean, it's hot in Cali too, but it's dry and desert like... just hang loose fellas, as Mr. Weir used to say in the days of olden. ;-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2009 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Foghorn...

Wait a minute!

"I say BOY!"

I'm talkin at you, BUT you just ain't list-n BOY!"

Is this the old original Dire in true blue flesh and blood?

Cool.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Foghorn...

there are still undercurrents of the "old me" squirreled away in the ol' brain cell

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 3:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Foghorn...

Many "me" can happen ,the gig is to choose the best one to keep you going for your evolution ! No compromizing about it and it might still get you somewher after the many nowheres good enough yet.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Foghorn...

smartest thing you have said so far on this site. nicely put and i wholeheartedly agree.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Foghorn...

WHAT? Everything else I said is not smart enough yet ?

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Foghorn...

Your English is improving.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 11, 2009 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Obama and friends are a disappointment, sure. But who expects much of politics except hoping they won't be nuts.

The financial and patronage systems seems unsustainable clearly, but neither party is will to change it. The US is a fine country but we can't seem to face facts. That just means a replay of the fall of the Roman empire.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2009-08-11 14:41:45

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

I imagine the mayan calendar will end early and all nostrildubmass's quatineries will come true in a blizzard in hades today because for once, and only once, I agree with you.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Noise: >>For 8 years bush haters protested anything bush did, regardless of the consequences and how it directly affected them. They did it on principle only.>>

And that principle is truth! Hell, even comedy shows started up the VCR and DVRs to catch the neverending stream of lies of the Bushites or more properly Cheneyists.


>>the table has turned. Except now those who dissent are called racist, ignorant bible thumpers in the eyes of the government and the media. Ironically the war protests and other stuff that were promised to the voters didn't happen and now people realize they were lied to.>>

The ignorant dissenters are complaining about spending -- now after 28/40 years of Republican malfeasance. Duh, do they think they're fooling anyone. The Republicans are primarily responsible for the mess. The "free market" mantras were just a fig leaf for the corrupt deals.

And they protesters do seem racist -- just check out the videos on CrooksandLiars.com. They're being manipulated by people who LIE for a living -- this not just political prevaricating but outright foul cynicism and scare tactics.

Democrats, the party people anyway, mostly don't organize progressive protests. It's grassroots compared to the corporate funded pro-war anti-life wingnuts who parrot GOP slogans via Rush, the "Savage" Weiner, Melanie Morgan & Lee Rogers, ad nauseum.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Truth ?

hahaha

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"Truth ?

hahaha "

No, there IS truth.

Truth doesn't melt into the air or fade away, and not seeing this is the great tragedy of Western civilization. You'd think that after the unsinkable Titanic, 2 world wars, and the absence of happiness in our technological wonderland that we'd be less cynical.

Adding more HD channels won't stave off death.

Maybe a close lightning strike will get your attention, or boating in a storm, or some accident.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 12, 2009 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Did I say there is no such thing as truth ?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

>>Did I say there is no such thing as truth ?>>

I read the letters, and only reflection you are right, they dais nothing!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Only one truth there is you said ? I never liked that sort of talk . The passing by truths of nowedays down here is NOT all there is for all galaxies ,even you can guess that much ,yes ? So ,even here goes stuff not everybody can see .

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

There may be many rooms and hallways but there's is the one, and beyond that God, indescribable by the creation but who provides his own descriptions and signs.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

NA!!!Truths can be like clothes worned out by too many laudrymats .

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

vewy twue!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Like Acorn is not organized.

Like the american auto workers uinio is not organized.

You had me for a moment but you lost all credibility by once again purposely using the vagrant violations of the left to stand up on and bash the right. Ignore what hurts your argument, augment what doesn't.

The AARP just walked away from Ocare.

The American Chamber of Commerce just walked away from Ocare.

Obama said in front of millions that he would not sign any legistlation that would increase the deficit.

Again, you point to a segment of the population and say general statements and call people racists because they do not agree with you.

I am sure there are no racists in the democratic party right?




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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"Ignore what hurts your argument, augment what doesn't. "

I don't know EVERYTHING.

But the right wing lies are what hurts them. Many of the ideas are sound or fair enough, but the lies sink it.

Means matter as do ends -- that's in every religion. Faith is really belief proved by deeds.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"racist, ignorant bible thumpers in the eyes of the government and the media."

Those are some of the people in my life. I think the outrage is that these people are so easily fooled by obvious manipulation to become the astroturf of corporate PR. The way out isn't easy, but the paths were spotted by many of the 60s kids. Dirty effing hippies, rebel scum.

Many just mock natural food and yet don't understand that whole grains carbs are different than Wonder bread carbs.

And talk about selfishness, they claim they didn't see a crash coming. Come on. They can only blame themselves for buying at the height of real estate market because they wanted a fast buck. They're paying for Wall Street bonuses in pumped up housing prices and bailout taxes! Free market?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

So you should read michael savage's early books from the 70's about macrobiotics and preventative medicinal food.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

"michael savage's early books"

you mean Weener's books?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

My favorite skins are blue such as in fun movie : " Sita got the blues ".I like blueboods too . That makes me a racist if i prefer to have fun with deadheads rather than Mickel Jackson,? Bof !

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:13am
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I meant bluebloods as in aristocrates . I also can like whoever with whatever skin color as as there OK .I also heard about jerks of any skin color realms .I also remember this really far out black rasta with hair all tfe way up then way down his legs .No one could miss seeing this guy at Berkeley shows grooving on Grateful Dead music !I used to smile to him because he wore peeckok feathers .

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 7:05am
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No doubt archive.org has some soap left to clean up the mess left on :august 10th at 9.43am , at 1.18pm ,at 1.31pm on GD forum !

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Morning Noise -

Without trying to hijack the forum for non-Dead discussion (while also understanding that it happens) let me cherry pick one item from your post that I have been studying intensely for the past 6 years.

There is no more oil. All the oil that there is to discover has been discovered. Advances in extraction technology are great - until you understand that the energy return on that extraction is less than 1.0. Shale oil extraction technology exists and is functioning but it takes 1.3 bbls worth of oil energy to extract 1 bbl of shale oil. That is fucking insane.

I would respectfully suggest that you google "Peak Oil" and start reading. There is a great discussion in the "Crash Course" put together by a friend of mine - Dr. Chris Martenson - on his website, http://www.chrismartenson.com/

I apologize to all members of the forum for this blatant push of another website here, but I feel strongly enough about this that I am willing to recognize the hypocrisy of me doing so.

And you're right - I should have voted for Ron Paul too. It's time "We the People" took back our government from the professional politicians who have everything but our interests in mind.

And while we're at it, let's end the Federal Reserve or at least push to have HR 1207 "Federal Reserve Transparency Act" eneacted into law. It's time we kicked those cockroaches to the curb.

Damn, I'm sorry for my departure from my usually detached and dispassionate demeanor.

I am done - Will Tell may hide the soap box from me now.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Don't worry too much ,there is allways a bunch of smarties to invent new stuff and other handy solutions . Even if I don't really like the dudes on this planet, I admit some of them are quite smart .Those who invented cars,airplanes,telephones,computers, and Grateful Dead souds and scenes are fairly well noted in the cormic books of Times!!!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

I lied, I'm not done...

Perhaps -

But that does not do anything to resolve the incontrovertible fact that THERE IS NO MORE OIL.

Our society - the World - has done everything on the back of fossil fuel energy sources. For years the world enjoyed an excess of energy resources. That excess became one of two things - either prosperity or growth. Prosperity results when one would maintain their consumption levels, thus fixing their resource requirement, and converting excess resource into "stuff". Growth results from conversion of excess resources to a new higher level of consumption. Think of it this way - a family of four, Mom Dad, 2 kids, living on 50K a year. Mom or Dad gets a raise allowing one of two things, either a higher standard of living (prosperity) or another kid (growth). But not both.

The same with our fossil fuel energy consumption. The resources are fixed - there is no more. Every country in the world has based their model on unlimited resources for both growth AND prosperity. You can't have both.

And once the "unlimited" resource is gone, you can't have either.

We are staring at an oncoming cataclysmic event and we don't even know enough to do anything about it except run out and buy a freakin' Prius.

I'll say this - it is going to happen in my lifetime and I am thrilled to be witness to it's unfolding.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Maybe .But as I can't solve problems for 7 billions people ,here ,I rather hear Grateful Dead live sounds ,and what's coming next Iam not responsable about it ,concerning this planet ,I was not there since genesis!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit! (more non dead political hijacking)

True, but there is an even more precious resourse that will cause even greater global strife than the oil supply running out and that is the potable water supply.

Do you think RP running again in 2012? I know his kid is running in 2010. I think a lot of disgruntled people are left from the last election to increased support this time around. Now that his predictions about the economy came true and people start to realize the other "republicans" and the democrats are all full of crap.

I admit, I chuckled at him during the debates, but I was the fool in retrospect.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit! (more non dead political hijacking)

Noise -

I feel like such a dumb ass for doing the same. Imagine me, someone who took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution, ridiculing someone calling for a return to a Constitutional government?

With all seriousness and humility,

Shame on me.

If he runs, Ron Paul has my vote in '12.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit! (more non dead political hijacking)

Hopefully we are not the only ones... maybe it ain't too late.

Barnes and noble had the constitution, articles of confed and dec of ind. combined in a hardbound on discount rack for $4.98 along with Common Sense by thomas paine for $5.98...

Best $11 I ever spent. Reading them now.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2009 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit! (more non dead political hijacking)

The amazing thing is that they are not long, and really easy to read.

Everyone should.

I have a little paperback version and it is slim and trim; along with my Strunk and White, two very important small books...

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit! (more non dead political hijacking)

Beetween what they say in writings and what they do in facts ,ther is enough space to get nowhere with it ! Live G.D.music transcend boring spaces when it's about time with a little help from my friends .

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

I'll stick with my bicycle & sailboat when the oil is all gone. Not quite sure how exactly I'll heat the old house though. It is a little disconcerting.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Sailing takes me away....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2009 3:28pm
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Cartman!

Greatest version of this song every...Jgl or elb linked up the utube version once...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Thanks for putting in your two pence earlier when cyrano de bergerac and Mr 72-74 were giving me lip.

I was going to refer to queen's bicycle but that sounds like a sex toy and is farther away from the dead than the easy listening soothing sounds of Christopher cross.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

i plan on buying me some cows and centrally heating my house with methane gas burnoff. hope to get a good filter to deal with the stench though :)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

Just breathe deep and it will go away quicker.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 3:04pm
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hmmmm, that just may be the right idea

:)

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbit!

In Hawaii,there is not much worry about heating and there are no mosquitoes !

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Shale oil...

A 2005 estimate set the total world resources of oil shale at 411 gigatons — enough to yield 2.8 to 3.3 trillion barrelsof shale oil.

This exceeds the world's proven conventional oil reserves, estimated at 1.317 trillion barrels, as of 1 January 2007.

The largest deposits in the world occur in the United States in the Green River Formation, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming; about 70% of this resource lies on land owned or managed by the United States federal government.

Deposits in the United States constitute 62% of world resources; together, the United States, Russia and Brazil account for 86% of the world's resources in terms of shale-oil content.

These figures remain tentative, with exploration or analysis of several deposits still outstanding.

Professor Alan R. Carroll of University of Wisconsin-Madison regards the Upper Permian lacustrine oil-shale deposits of northwest China, absent from previous global oil shale assessments, as comparable in size to the Green River Formation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

And this might be outdated but:

ANWR is estimated to contain 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil, according to the Energy Information Administration.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

'ANWR is estimated to contain 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil, according to the Energy Information Administration.'

About enough to keep the US going for 16 months. Worth destroying a wilderness to buy a year and change? And then what?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Hopefully that will be long enough to invent light without heat and put barfbag/diaper recycling units on the cows. I know someone here who would volunteer for the fittings.

But seriously...

I doubt it would "destroy" the whole area. We have come a long way with angled drilling and exploration and it would be another year of energy.

Then there's natural gas, clean coal, nuclear, the greedy bastards buying and burying patents we never heard of...

The thing about oil that baffles me is that it's totally organic, like coal. It's not like it's synthetic like plastic (which ironically is made from oil which is made from dead animals). It's all carbon. It's all terrestrial. It's already made and in the ground.

Have the dinosaurs died in vain?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

I hear ya Noise, but you only have half the equation.

Energy Return On Investment (EROI) is the linch pin here. You need 1.3 bbls worth of energy to extract 1 bbl of shale oil. That is a negative production rate and is unsustainable.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

We could use nuclear power, which is greener than oil or coal. Use it to extract the oil, or use it to replace the oil. I just want me some oil.... I'll squeeze the rocks by hand... gimme some gottdam oil!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Perhaps the 4 Horsemen of the Barackalypse will Nationalize the Nuclear industry as well and staff it with retired submariners?

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 5, 2009 2:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Noise Collector found oil to squeeze so too busy to talk back ?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Take a big Mamma 's advice,and invent something smarter than nuclear gigs if you want something left for the kiddies!!!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:12pm
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Historically,it is already known that the main problem on this planet is the incapacity of men to take accout what was is said to them.They'd sooner drop dead definitly back into the big Nothing/nowhere for ever rather than accept opinions others than their headtrips!!!As for the waters,oceans are plenty around,and there are some advanced know how to take the salt out ,without adding to the pollutions .

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Desalinization is not advanced or in enough supply to use because of the concentrations of mercury that are building up in the sea water. (pulled this out of my ass truthfully)

Other than Israe, I do not know any country working on or implementing any substantial use or research in it. I do know there are plenty gallons of fresh water frozen at the poles, if only we could think of a way to heat the planet and melt it...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Sure coal ash is much better. That takes years to die from.

Just don't roll in or eat U238/U235 and you will be fine.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

lol :)


and you are right about the shale oil ratio. got a friend who is an engineer for a big oil firm in texas - he said dont hold your breath for the shale unless you want to be spending $10 a gallon for gas.


(i'll be back in a bit - gotta go snort some coal ash)

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 2:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Oil "cvilisation" stinks on the street,and it hurts my breathing ,na !

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Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 11, 2009 12:36pm
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"You need 1.3 bbls worth of energy to extract 1 bbl of shale oil"

For the sake of discussion, I will assume your numbers are accurate, but they are today's numbers, and are likely to change over time..... I would hope the ratio falls in the future, and the process becomes feasable.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Unfortunately Edsel, the ratio won't likely fall ever. The denominator is getting smaller faster than the numerator. Energy Return is the only way to look at it accurately. Pro-drillers conveniently exclude the energy cost to extract the kajillion bbls of dead fat dinosaurs and trees when they are shopping their numbers around.

The simple fact is we are consuming a finite resource unabatedly. Eventually that model breaks.

Start here: (But go back and watch the entire Crash Course)

http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse/chapter-17a-peak-oil

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 11, 2009 5:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

Reading this now actually. Thanks.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 5:51pm
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Noise -

As you might guess, I have become a bit passionate about Crash Course. Let me know what you think, but let's take it off the forum.

mandojamr@yahoo.com

Anytime. I'm really interested in what you think about Chris' work.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 11, 2009 6:38pm
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Mando-

Just FYI I had the pleasure of interviewing Chris a couple years ago...incredibly smart guy & explains a complicated issue in as straightforward a manner as possible. Glad to hear you're into his work!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:33am
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Grendel -

How cool. I always enjoy the small world connections. Chris and Becca are amazing people, as are their kids. Back in April my wife organized a Crash Course seminar out in SW Virginia in the Shenandoah Mountains. We had 63 people show up to learn from Chris and Becca. Great stuff.

If you interviewed him a couple a years back, you may not have seen the complete version of the Crash Course. I would encourage you to check it out.

Any chance you could provide a copy of the interview - I'd really be interested to hear what he was saying back then. I've only been onboard the Martenson train for a year now.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: You wascily wabbits and your undrilled oil

I'll do my best to track it down for you...it was something I did freelance for Christian Science Monitor and have no idea if it's archived anywhere. (btw, i'm not a Christian Scientist...I always have to point that out when i mention I did some work for them; their international news coverage is second to none)....Will also check on the latest research...The whole oil/shale oil question is a really interesting one, but what is so important to remember is that--as you and Chris pointed out--it always takes energy to extract energy...or, as I think he reminded me at the time: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Sometimes the simplest laws of physics are the ones we tend to forget.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 12, 2009 10:17am
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Not a convincing argument .You can walk forever and never get anywhere with it ,that's about the only opposite you get ,except when and if IT comes to meet you and send you on elastics cosmic pransters rides,just for the fun or the heck of it . Reasonable wisdom has been on vacations for quite a long time here and it's about TIMES to gig on !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 11, 2009 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Democracy in action. Charges pending.

I would if I could, but having slipped off it a number of times lately, it was stolen!

Can you believe it? Right out from under the Prime Ministers big fat ass! And now it seems to be circulating wildly, available whenever and wherever any poster needs it.

Anyhow, we all like to do it, so I wouldn't give it another thought. As long as it represents an occas diversion, it's the spice of life, right?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 11, 2009 10:28am
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The forum resounds to the sound of precariously-perching posters grinding axes on Tell's Soapbox.


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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 11:25am
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If I had been american I would have voted for RALPH NADER !

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:36am
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OMG! Someone on the archive (IMO) speaking the truth. Thank you NC!

You are my hero.

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